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Old 07-14-2017, 10:24 AM   #1
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Default SINKHOLE!

No one was hurt. The residents heard cracking and ran out in time. The houses are situated on a strip of land between two lakes, and a spring runs underneath, eroding the ground below. (The whole area is pretty much like that.) It is my understanding that one of the houses has had sinkhole remediation in the past.



They caught one of the houses collapsing into the sinkhole on video. Very dramatic.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/re...omes-evacuated

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Old 07-14-2017, 01:41 PM   #2
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Not surprising with all the rain in the last week, and being on the coastal plain.
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Old 08-07-2017, 10:39 AM   #4
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7 homes condemned near massive Pasco sinkhole

http://wfla.com/2017/08/06/debris-re...asco-sinkhole/


Crews repair the sinkhole.

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LAND O’ LAKES, Fla. (WFLA) — Pasco County officials condemned one more home Monday morning – 21845 Ocean Pines Drive.

Two more homes were already condemned Sunday near the massive sinkhole in Land O’ Lakes. The Pasco County Building Inspectors Office investigated five homes over the weekend and condemned three of them. That makes seven in total condemned.

Two of the most recently condemned homes – 21814 and 21815 Ocean Pines Drive – had visible cracks and buckling. At 21814, there was bucking in tile and cracks in granite counter-tops. The eve was also shifting.

At 21815, there was cracking in the mortar joints on the southeast edge and a significant separation of the front of the home. The small eve over the doorway had separated an inch from the house.

The sinkhole opened last month and swallowed two homes.

In addition to the two homes destroyed in July, two houses on Ocean Pines Drive were condemned on Saturday. On Sunday, county officials said another home on Ocean Pines Drive was set to be condemned, as well as a home on Canal Place.

Kevin Guthrie, assistant county administrator, said Monday that he can’t confirm if the sinkhole is still active. “The entire area is riddled with sinkholes. We may be seeing a cause-and-effect-type stuff.”

Guthrie explained that it is not active compared to what he is seeing. It’s more like ripple effects, “may see some older sinkholes making minor adjustments.”

County officials said 125 dump trucks of uncrushed lime rock were brought in over the weekend to dump into the hole. Five semi loads of debris were removed on Saturday.

There is a barge in middle of the sinkhole collecting debris and using a long-reach excavator to stabilize the sides of hole. A truck will start cleaning out water Monday.

They are calling their new tactic successful and said debris removal is continuing this week. They hope to have the hole filled in a couple of weeks.

The first phase of the cleanup is expected to be done by Aug. 18. So far, Guthrie said that the project is under budget and looks like it will come in closer to $1 million rather that $1.3 million.
A hundred twenty five loads of rock so far.
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Old 08-07-2017, 11:59 AM   #5
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Land O Sinkholes.
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Those sinkholes are what produced all of the lakes!



Two hundred sixty feet wide.

If it keeps expanding it may catch the Great Winter Park Sinkhole.
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Exactly. We have a spring fed pond behind our house - which is just a PC name for an old existing sinkhole.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:05 PM   #8
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Okay, I have to ask...

Do homes in FL have sinkhole riders on homeowner's insurance? Are inspections required before building or buying to check for the existence of known or potential sinkholes?

Here in TN, the big thing is flooding. Because our place is near a large river/lake, we had to jump through all kinds of hoops when we bought it to prove that our property isn't within the boundaries of the 100 year flood cycle. It's not (barely), but if it had been, we would have been required to buy insurance through the .gov National Flood Insurance program before the bank would grant the mortgage.

Then, because the water table is high (because of proximity to the lake), we had to get extra testing (environmental impact) done, in addition to the regular perc tests, before being able to install a septic system. That was another process that had to be done before the bank would approve the mortgage

TN has a relatively light hand when it comes to state regulations in general. Everything we had to have done (except the perc tests) was due to the bank's standards. I don't know what FL regulations are like but I would think that mortgage lenders have similar standards.

So, I guess what I'm wondering is how builders and home buyers in FL are able to build/buy houses over known sinkhole locations?
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Our old place had a repaired sinkhole. At that time, sinkhole coverage was part of our homeowners insurance policy. It came with its own deductible.

The insurance company paid for the remediation of our sinkhole, shich wasn't that bad. No structural damage.

However there was a change in insurance policies coverage in the state and to get sinkhole coverage *added* to our homeowners policy would have been so costly as to be prohibited. IIRC it would have been in the area of 15K a year. Just for the premium.

Since the odds of getting a second sinkhole were rated as almost nil, we opted to not have sinkhole coverage.

When we sold, we had to fully disclose the repaired sinkhole, including the geo-engineering reports, the sinkhole repair reports, everything.

I'm of the mind that the ground isn't that stable anywhere in FL, but in some areas its stability is greatly undermined by several factors:

Letting suburbs get by with septic systems. They really aren't designed to be used in a dense housing situation.

Letting those suburban homeowners drill wells in their backyards to bypass water fees to fill their pools and water their gardens.

Between the normal way a septic system works and additional pumping out of groundwater, it works to undermine the stability of the land. Voids are created by the emptied / lowered ground water reserves.

Then again, just about everywhere has some 'issue'. Be it quakes, floods, sinkholes, twisters, droughts, wildfires, landslides ....... Liberals J/K
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There was no inspection for sinkhole activity prior to our purchase. There are maps that show known sinkhole activity, and they didn't show anything near our home at the time we bought it.

Sinkhole coverage used to be a reasonably priced rider. Just like insurance companies will total your car and write a check for the full value or pay off your loan, during the housing bubble people would file claims if their driveway cracked and insurance companies would write a check that in effect gave them a free house. More than a few real estate listings in this area say something like "this home has unrepaired sinkhole activity".

Insurance was so abused, anything more than catastrophic coverage is now cost prohibitive and any money the homeowner gets from insurance must be applied to repairs.
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New cracks, problems found at massive Pasco sinkhole

http://wfla.com/2017/08/07/new-crack...asco-sinkhole/

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“We are reluctant to say the sinkhole is growing at this point, however, certainly Mother Nature is taking it back. If you look at the 30 and 40 year pictures here, apparently where some of those homes are located was in the middle of a lake,” said Doug Tobin with Pasco County.
Ah so...
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Looking at the newly condemned houses I am very surprised they did not also include both houses across the street, and the house directly behind the first house that fell into the sinkhole... I would not be surprised if they were eventually added.
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I suspect they will as I don't think this one is finished yet.

Building homes on a backfilled lake was bad foolishness.
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Having been involved in city planning and zoning, I am AMAZED at the lack of oversight and just plain ignorance on the part of Pasco County. The county is seeing explosive growth and it's like the wild west - put whatever, wherever, use the cheapest materials and inexperienced 3rd world labor to slap it together overnight. Get the most profit possible out of development every step of the way, then hasta la vista, baby!
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Are inspections required before building or buying to check for the existence of known or potential sinkholes?
During the housing crash, home owners were calling their insurance companies and telling them they thought they had a sinkhole. This caused the insurance company to be obligated to check it out, and delayed the foreclosure process.

The cost of verifying a sinkhole is in the tens of thousands of dollars.

This caused many insurance companies to no longer cover "sinkholes", instead, they only cover catastrophic sinkholes. This means your house has to be falling into a hole for them to act on it.

So yeah... you could inspect a new house for sinkholes if you wanted, but no one drops 20-30k on a property they don't own. And once they own it, if they verified sinkhole activity (even if its minor) they have to inform anyone buying the property.
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Recovery crew discovers cash in Land O'Lakes sinkhole
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...nkhole/2333020
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