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Old 08-08-2017, 04:51 PM   #1
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Default Trump Vows Hell to NORKS

I read early this afternoon that it would take 15 minutes from "go" to turn NORK'land into a parking lot.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...port-says.html
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Worse scenario in the world is two nut jobs with nukes that don't like each other. We have arrived.
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Holy crap, Sky news here in th UK have just said the Norks are "examining a plan to strike Guam with missiles"
Looks like the F*ckwit in chief of NK may be meeting his maker sooner than anticipated. What a f*cking myopic, insular idiot!!
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Worse scenario in the world is two nut jobs with nukes that don't like each other. We have arrived.
We've had that for years. And this is one nut-job and a guy with some balls to say "Not on my watch asshole!"

And mean it.
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Not sure what their status is as of this time, but Guam *hosts* some of our B-2 bombers. So it makes sense that the nutbag of NORK would threaten Guam.

Would he actually do so?

Who knows?

It appears that China isn't too inclined to rein in their terrible little neighbor. Though they're beefing up their borders in case there is a mass exodus from NK.

This is a no-win situation.

Nutbag is pitching a hissy fit and it appears has the means to back up his threats. It's a nightmare of epic proportions for everyone within striking distance of his missiles / rockets / artillery.

For decades NK has been rewarded for their temper tantrums and threats and appeasement never ends well, IMO.
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Given NK's current actions and rhetoric plus Trump's current vulnerability (personnel changes, Mueller, etc.), we are at a very bad juncture. Things could go sideways in a hurry. I hope NK will realize how dangerous a game they are playing and knock it off. As in right now. Hopeful, but not optimistic.
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OK for all of your savvy folks out there, at one point in the video the journalist says the US government is not certain that *if* NK has managed to size down a n uke device to fit on one of its missiles, it's not certain it could survive reentry ........ So, would that open the possibility that the NORKS wouldn't be upset if it didn't make reentry, because it would have the potential to still produce an EMP effect?

>>>>>>>Video at the link

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N. Korea threatens strike against Guam; Trump warns of 'fire and fury'


North Korea is threatening to launch a preemptive strike against Guam, hours after the Trump administration warned the rogue nation to drop its threats against the United States or face "fire and fury."
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Interactive Graphic: North Korean missile capabilities, US military bases in the Pacific Theater

North Korea's ballistic missile program includes weapons that can reach many U.S, military installations in the Pacific Ocean.
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North Korea, in statements on state-run TV, said it is "carefully examining" a strike against the U.S. territory, home to Andersen Air Force Base.

A statement from a spokesman from the Strategic Force of the Korean People's Army also warned that recent U.S. military maneuvers — including an intercontinental ballistic missile test last week and a bomber flight on Monday — "may provoke a dangerous conflict."

The threat came in the wake of strong words from President Donald Trump, who warned North Korea on Tuesday that it would face "fire and fury" if it provokes the United States.

Meanwhile, some in Congress are calling for calm.

"We need professionals guiding this process," U.S. Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, said on Twitter. "We learned from our wars in the Middle East -- bad decisions can make a terrible situation worse."

U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., also took exception to Trump's comments, saying they were unlikely to de-escalate the situation.

"I don't know what he's saying and I've long ago given up trying to interpret what he says," McCain said, according to NBC. "That kind of rhetoric, I'm not sure how it helps."

Trump's promised "fire and fury" came in the wake of a new report that said U.S. intelligence officials believe North Korea has successfully produced a nuclear warhead that can fit inside missiles, and after North Korea has tested several intercontinental missiles in recent months that experts say could reach Hawaii and the mainland.

"North Korea had best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen," Trump said Tuesday, speaking at a conference in New Jersey. "He has been very threatening beyond a normal state. And as I said they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before."

Japan's Defense Ministry concluded in an annual white paper released Tuesday that "it is possible that North Korea has achieved the miniaturization of nuclear weapons and has developed nuclear warheads." Japan, a key U.S. ally, is also a potential target of North Korean aggression.

A report in The Washington Post on Tuesday went further.

The newspaper said U.S. intelligence officials have assessed that a decade after North Korea's first nuclear test explosion, Pyongyang has produced nuclear weapons for ballistic missile delivery, including by intercontinental missiles -- the type capable of reaching Hawaii or the continental U.S.

The Post story, citing unnamed U.S. intelligence officials, said the confidential analysis was completed last month by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency. The U.S. also calculated last month that North Korea has up to 60 nuclear weapons, the Post said.

This weekend, the U.N. Security Council slapped its toughest sanctions yet on North Korea over its latest test of a ballistic missile that could be used to deliver a nuclear weapon. Despite the rapid tempo of these tests, uncertainty has lingered over the isolated nation's ability to couple such a missile with a nuclear device.

The rising tensions with North Korea have spurred Hawaii to start preparing for the threat -- however low -- of a nuclear strike to the islands.

Last month, the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency kicked off an educational campaign aimed at helping residents and visitors figure out what to do if the state is the target of a nuclear missile attack.

As part of the new campaign, the state will also start testing a new "wailing" emergency siren on the first workday of the month.

It would take 20 minutes for an ICBM to travel to Hawaii from North Korea. The public would have eight to 12 minutes of notice before the attack started.




http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3...e-against-guam
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Moving pieces into place / show of readiness? Or simply gamesmanship?

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South Dakota Airmen arrive ready to 'Fight Tonight' from Guam


Two U.S. Air Force B-1B Lancers assigned to the 37th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron, deployed from Ellsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota, flew from Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, for a 10-hour mission, flying in the vicinity of Kyushu, Japan, the East China Sea, and the Korean peninsula, Aug. 7, 2017 (HST). During the mission, the B-1s were joined by Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-15s as well as Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 fighter jets, performing two sequential bilateral missions. These flights with Japan and the Republic of Korea (ROK) demonstrate solidarity between Japan, ROK and the U.S. to defend against provocative and destabilizing actions in the Pacific theater.

A U.S. Air Force B-1B Lancer assigned to the 37th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron, deployed from Ellsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota, prepares to take off from Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, for a 10-hour mission, flying in the vicinity of Kyushu, Japan, the East China Sea, and the Korean peninsula, Aug. 7, 2017 (HST). During the mission, the B-1s were joined by Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-15s as well as Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 fighter jets, performing two sequential bilateral missions. These flights with Japan and the Republic of Korea (ROK) demonstrate solidarity between Japan, ROK and the U.S. to defend against provocative and destabilizing actions in the Pacific theater.


JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM, Hawaii --

Two U.S. Air Force B-1B bombers, under the command of U.S. Pacific Air Forces, joined their counterparts from the Republic of Korea and Japanese air forces in sequenced bilateral missions, August 7.

This serves as the first mission for the crews and aircraft recently deployed from Ellsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota in support of U.S. Pacific Command’s Continuous Bomber Presence missions.

After taking off from Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, the B-1s assigned to the 37th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron, flew to Japanese airspace, where they were joined by Koku Jieitai (Japan Air Self Defense Force) F-2 fighter jets. The B-1s then flew over the Korean Peninsula where they were joined by Republic of Korea Air Force KF-16 fighter jets. The B-1s then performed a pass over the Pilsung Range before leaving South Korean airspace and returning to Guam.

Throughout the approximately 10-hour mission, the aircrews practiced intercept and formation training, enabling them to enhance their combined capabilities and tactical skills, while also strengthening the long standing military-to-military relationships in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region.

Ellsworth B-1s were last deployed to Guam in August 2016 when they took over CBP operations from the B-52 Stratofortress bomber squadrons from Minot AFB, North Dakota, and Barksdale AFB, Louisiana.

“How we train is how we fight and the more we interface with our allies, the better prepared we are to fight tonight,” said a 37th EBS B-1 pilot. “The B-1 is a long-range bomber that is well-suited for the maritime domain and can meet the unique challenges of the Pacific.”

Aircrews, maintenance and support personnel, will continue generating B-1 bomber sorties to demonstrate the continuing U.S. commitment to stability and security in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region, providing commanders with a strategic power projection platform and fulfilling the need for anytime mission-ready aircraft, an important part of national defense during a time of high regional tension.

“While at home station my crews are constantly refining their tactics and techniques so that we can better integrate with our counterparts from other nations,” said Lt. Col. Daniel Diehl, 37th EBS, commander. “As demonstrated today, our air forces stand combat-ready to deliver airpower when called upon.”

The U.S. has maintained a regular bomber presence in the Indo-Asia-Pacific since 2004 and this mission demonstrated our continued ironclad commitment to regional allies. Further, it increased our readiness and exercised our rights under international law to fly legally in the place and time of our choosing.




http://www.pacaf.af.mil/News/Article...ght-from-guam/
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Old 08-09-2017, 08:43 AM   #9
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OK for all of your savvy folks out there, at one point in the video the journalist says the US government is not certain that *if* NK has managed to size down a n uke device to fit on one of its missiles, it's not certain it could survive reentry ........ So, would that open the possibility that the NORKS wouldn't be upset if it didn't make reentry, because it would have the potential to still produce an EMP effect?
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Depends what they mean by "not surviving".
If it means setting off the device during reentry then that has the potential to cause an emp.
On the other hand if the whole thing just burns up then could be radioactive dust cloud like a dirty bomb.
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Possibly there may be a middle path other than total war and simply ignoring NK's actions.

I'm given to understand that their longer range rockets (the ones everyone is concerned with) are still liquid fueled and have to be launched from open pads? As in not from concealed silos we cannot observe.

In which case since erecting a largish missile on an open pad then fueling it with cryogenic fuel is subject to satellite observation pretty much whether it's day or night we simply tell North Korea if we see them erecting such a missile we will destroy it on the ground. I believe we can do this with stand off weapons that will not require manned aircraft to enter their airspace. We should make this clear to both China and Russia.

North Korea is then either faced with launching their all-out war or sucking it up.

Would they take it to an all-out war that they know will end them?
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So now the Norks want to threaten Guam. Here's what's gonna happen, we will see them fueling a missile, said missile will be destroyed in a strike. In the next few minutes, I would expect his navy and every single airfield to disappear under conventional explosions. If NK wants a ground war after that, well, Seoul is gonna get trashed, but the war will last a week. I doubt we will see boots move in to NK, except to mop up.

Then the real shit begins as we have to figure out how to feed millions overnight.
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If and when the war does come we should keep US troops south of the 38th parallel. Let the South Koreans go north. This might mollify the Chinese enough that they will stay north of the Yalu.
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Time to test the meters.
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There are a few things to keep in mind about the threat to Guam made by the DPRK.

First, Guam has had a THAAD system in place for the past few years. Of course, it hasn't been used during an actual missile threat, but it has been successfully tested multiple times. IIRC, the success rate for THAAD is at or close to 100%.

In addition, AEGIS equipped ships are kept stationed near South Korea and Japan. The AEGIS system is capable of shooting down a ballistic missile in the early to mid-flight phases. Since intel sources would probably be able to put out a warning prior to a missile launch, the AEGIS ships would be able to fire during the earliest phase of a launch.

AEGIS equipped ships are also stationed at Guam to strengthen it's defensive capabilities. In addition to the standard AEGIS missiles, the Navy is also developing a new anti-ballistic missile system, the SM-3 Block IIA, which uses the AEGIS system for launch and initial guidance, but has greater range and firepower than a standard missile. Although still in the R&D phase, it has had failures, but also successes, including a successful test in Japan. It's possible that this system could be deployed to Guam, even in it's experimental phase.

There is also a little known program called AEGIS Ashore which places the AEGIS radar and missile system in a land-based array. It's still experimental but is currently deployed in Eastern Europe. There's been no public notice that Guam has a similar installation but it wouldn't be particularly surprising to find out that it does.

In short, Guam has a multi-layered defense system. It's not impenetrable - no system truly is - but it's a pretty heavily protected piece of real estate.

It's also important to remember that the DPRK hasn't yet had a successful test of a fully integrated ICBM with a nuclear warhead (at least according to publicly available information). Separate components have been tested which have met with mixed but increasingly positive results. However, putting the pieces together to achieve a successful nuclear strike is still in the theoretical stage.

It's no surprise that intelligence sources have confirmed that NK has managed to miniaturize a nuclear device so that it will fit onto an intermediate or long range ICBM. But, there are still several challenges which NK must overcome before truly joining the nuclear club.

First, is marrying the warhead to a missile that has the power to achieve ballistic flight. While NK does have several missiles capable of going ballistic, so far there's no evidence that it has managed to make the marriage work. Secondly, the nuclear device must survive re-entry intact. Again, NK hasn't tested this ability. As NV and proteus noted, there's a potential for the nuclear device to become a dirty bomb instead of reaching a fissile state. That's not to discount the potential fallout of a dirty bomb, but the damage would be far less than that of a successful nuclear explosion.

So far, all the tests of potential ICBM missiles have ended up splashing down into the ocean. The DPRK has not recovered a nose cone and so hasn't had the opportunity to see how well it survived re-entry. It's likely that telemetry, radar, and sonar data have provided some information, but not having the actual hardware puts a serious dent in the R&D of re-entry.

Finally, there's the issue of guidance. We don't know what kind of guidance system has been tested or used as part of the latest missile tests. There's obviously at least a rudimentary guidance system in use to ensure that the re-entry vehicle lands in international waters such as the Sea of Japan (East Sea). But, it's worth noting that this latest test of the Hwasong-14 landed within Japan's EEZ. The question is whether that was deliberate or the result of poor guidance.

It's true that nuclear missiles are like grenades in that close does count. However, if NK hopes to fulfill it's bellicose boasts to annihilate specific places, like Washington DC, it needs to do better than just putting a missile in the ballpark. Admittedly, since close does matter, a successful strike anywhere in the U.S. would accomplish NK's stated goals. But, it's worth noting here that in one of the DPRK's recent pubic statements it said, "..."making an enveloping fire around Guam". That statement seems to be carefully worded so that it doesn't boast of making a direct strike on Guam. This could be interpreted as evidence that NK doesn't yet have a reliable, accurate guidance system.

The island nearest Guam is Rota, which is about 50 miles away. Aside from that, there is little around Guam besides ocean. So, creating an "envelope of fire" around Guam would require controlled air-bursts, which is a level of sophistication that NK's missile program hasn't demonstrated yet.

This is not to say that the DPRK's threat to Guam is toothless. Any kind of nuclear explosion near or on Guam could decimate the small outpost of America and it would allow NK to have a very short-lived moment of victory. Depending on the success of the attack, the loss of life and infrastructure could be staggering and tragic. Further, the damage or loss of US military assets would necessitate a major change in US military strategy (which it has undoubtedly already planned for). But it's also useful to note that NK has been making public threats against Guam for at least the past 5 years and so far, has not made good on them.

So when it comes down to the facts, this latest threat to Guam, while not empty, is still slightly more implausible than likely at this time. The DPRK could launch a missile attack on Guam, but it would have to overcome it's technological shortfalls, as well as penetrate a carefully crafted, multi-layered defense.

Kim may well be insane enough to order such an attack. But then NK would have to face the payback which, as we all know, can be a bitch.
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Ah hah ! A typical Trump deal .
You are going to destroy the NK reactor then sell them another one .
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In fact, the only thing that makes North Korea a threat is their nuclear capability — made possible by the Clinton and Bush administrations.

These two administrations played key roles in helping the late Kim Jong-Il develop North Korea’s nuclear prowess from the mid 1990’s onwards.

Former US Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld was on the board of technology giant ABB when it won a deal to supply North Korea with two nuclear power plants.

According to the 2003 report from SWI, the Swiss-based ABB told swissinfo that Rumsfeld was involved with the company in early 2000, when it netted a $200 million (SFr270million) contract with Pyongyang.
Extracted from here .

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I can't find any reference to it now but I woke up at about 2 am last night to CNN breaking news saying NK was readying missles on the launch pads. Either their Cnn's intel was bad and they pulled the story immediately or they were told to pull it to avoid panic. I know I didn't dream it.
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Not a Trump fan, but I do have to say I doubt Trump would strike first. His one good quality (fingers crossed) is that he hates war.
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I can't find any reference to it now but I woke up at about 2 am last night to CNN breaking news saying NK was readying missles on the launch pads. Either their Cnn's intel was bad and they pulled the story immediately or they were told to pull it to avoid panic. I know I didn't dream it.
That's a good catch. I wish I could've seen it. I did some digging and it doesn't seem to have made it online from what I can tell.


This is the official announcement made by the DPRK about firing missiles to Guam.

From: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the DPRK

[quote]KPA Will Take Practical Action: Commander of Strategic Force
Posted on: 2017-08-10

General Kim Rak Gyom, commander of the Strategic Force of the Korean People’s Army, released the following statement on August 9:

As already clarified, the Strategic Force of the KPA is seriously examining the plan for an enveloping strike at Guam through simultaneous fire of four Hwasong-12 intermediate-range strategic ballistic rockets in order to interdict the enemy forces on major military bases on Guam and to signal a crucial warning to the U.S.

On Tuesday, the KPA Strategic Force through a statement of its spokesman fully warned the U.S. against its all-round sanctions on the DPRK and moves of maximizing military threats to it. But the U.S. president at a gold links again let out a load of nonsense about “fire and fury,” failing to grasp the on-going grave situation. This is extremely getting on the nerves of the infuriated Hwasong artillerymen of the KPA.

It seems that he has not yet understood the statement.

Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him. This is the judgment made by the service personnel of the KPA Strategic Force.

The military action the KPA is about to take will be an effective remedy for restraining the frantic moves of the U.S. in the southern part of the Korean peninsula and its vicinity.

The Hwasong artillerymen of the KPA Strategic Force are replete with a strong determination to fully demonstrate once again the invincible might of the force, which has developed into a reliable nuclear force of the Workers’ Party of Korea and the world’s strongest strike service, through the planned enveloping strike targeting the U.S. imperialist bases of aggression.

The Strategic Force is also considering the plan for opening to public the historic enveloping fire at Guam, a practical action targeting the U.S. bases of aggression.

This unprecedented step is to give stronger confidence in certain victory and courage to the Korean people and help them witness the wretched plight of the U.S. imperialists.

The Hwasong-12 rockets to be launched by the KPA will cross the sky above Shimane, Hiroshima and Koichi Prefectures of Japan. They will fly 3 356.7 km for 1 065 seconds and hit the waters 30 to 40 km away from Guam.

The KPA Strategic Force will finally complete the plan until mid August and report it to the commander-in-chief of the DPRK nuclear force and wait for his order.

We keep closely watching the speech and behavior of the U.S.[/quote]


To get a broader sense of what the DPRK is doing, I highly recommend reading the following 2 articles. They include the usual bombastic BS that the KCNA news agency is known for. But, they also include more specific information than typical KNA articles.

U.S. Should Be Prudent under Present Acute Situation: Spokesman for KPA Strategic Force

U.S. War Hysteria Will Only Bring Miserable End of American Empire: Spokesman for KPA General Staff
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Looks to me like the president has just called NK's hand.

Time to show the cards.

Trump Tweets warning that US 'military solutions are now fully in place' as North Korea accuses President of driving the situation to the 'brink of nuclear war'
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President Donald Trump said the U.S. was 'locked and loaded'
He tweeted that military solutions are now 'fully in place'
A new statement from North Korea blasted President Trump for failing to rule out war
'Hopefully Kim Jong Un will find another path!'
'Trump is driving the situation on the Korean peninsula to the brink of nuclear war,' said the Korean Central News Agency
U.S. side termed 'the heinous nuclear war fanatics' in typical blustery statement
President Trump warned that if North Korea does something to Guam, 'It will be an event the likes of which nobody has seen before'
Global Times, warned that 'if North Korea launches missiles that threaten US soil first and the US retaliates, China will stay neutral'
But if the US and South Korea 'try to overthrow the North Korean regime... China will prevent them from doing so'
Comes as President Donald Trump ratcheted up his rhetoric toward North Korea and its leader on Thursday
He warned Pyongyang against attacking Guam or U.S. allies after it disclosed plans to fire missiles over Japan to land near the U.S. Pacific territory
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...scalation.html

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Here's the thing - technically, if NK fires 4 missiles without military payloads towards Guam and they splash in the ocean outside of Guam's territorial boundaries, even if they're within it's EEZ, then all NK will have actually done is conduct missile tests.

The last missile test they conducted landed outside of Japan's territorial boundaries but within it's EEZ. No one felt the need to go to war over that threat to our ally.

If Kim does fire these 4 missiles towards Guam, he's breaking UN sanctions, but that obviously isn't an issue for him. And if they stay out of Guam's territory, then it isn't an attack, it's technically a test. NK, like all nations, is supposed to issue Notice to Airmen (NOTAMs) and Notice to Mariners (NOTMARs) prior to missile tests. But this is another international agreement that they ignore. So their missile tests pose a danger to shipping and air traffic.

But is it casus belli? Can we - should we - go to war because NK tested missiles? Don't get me wrong - bracketing Guam with 4 missile "tests" is a huge and stupid provocation. It shouldn't be ignored and it wouldn't surprise me if we shot them down once a trajectory to Guam is confirmed. But I have a feeling that Russia and China will condemn any action taken against NK for their missile "testing".

One other thing to keep in mind. The U.S. is leading the charge against NK for their developments in nuclear ICBM technology, with the tacit approval of many nations. This is evidenced by the overwhelming approval and participation in international sanctions aginst the DPRK. And if the missiles heading towards Guam are shot down, it will be a U.S. action. BUT, if any action we take results in an actual war with the DPRK, and the armistice is broken, then (again) technically, it becomes the business of a whole lot of countries.

When the initial armistice was signed in 1953, the signatories were North Korea, China, and the United Nations Command (UNC). The representative for the UNC was an American - Lt. General Harrison. However, he was not signing in the name of the U.S., he signed it as a member of the UNC. So, if the armistice is broken by air/land/sea combat in the Korean territories, it isn't just the U.S. that is supposed to respond, it's the UNC. As of 1953, the UNC consisted of (Wiki):
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Australia,Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the Philippines, South Africa, Thailand and the Turkish Brigade. Denmark, India, Norway and Sweden provided medical units. Italy provided a hospital, even though it was not a UN member. Iran provided medical assistance.
The UN gradually removed the multi-national forces from the UNC and placed South Korea in charge of it's own defense. It's military forces are currently under their own command but it's still closely paired with the US Combined Forces Command (CFC). BUT, the UNC is still a military entity, and maintains a rear area logistical command in Japan, currently under the leadership of an Australian officer.

Factoring in the UNC raises a lot of questions. If we shoot down the missiles and NK responds by opening fire on SK using conventional weapons, who will have violated the Armistice? And, will the UNC get involved? As a signatory to the treaty, what will China do? Will nations who were part of the original UNC deploy units to fight with the combined U.S. and SK forces? Will other countries once again become an active part of the UNC, or will they ignore their responsibilities because 1953 is ancient history and the UNC is no longer applicable?

Or will this turn into yet another case of the U.S. playing cop for the rest of the world?
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"Or will this turn into yet another case of the U.S. playing cop for the rest of the world?"
The thing is it's not the rest of the world the fat little prick is threatening, it is the US of A and he really is asking to get turned into carbon.
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...The thing is it's not the rest of the world the fat little prick is threatening, it is the US of A...
For now.

Yes, he's focused on the U.S. for now because he see's us as the biggest threat. That doesn't mean that we're the only threat and there's a long list of countries that he isn't happy with. And he could always use an indirect approach to deal with the U.S. Suppose he decides to hit Japan? What would that do to the U.S. and world economies? NK hates Japan almost as much as the U.S., so hitting it would give him a two-fer.

Or maybe he'll get the idea that taking out the Suez Canal with conventional warheads would be a good way to punish the U.S. It might be a stretch but it's possible that the Panama Canal would be in range at some point. Or, if he isn't stopped, what's to say that he wouldn't go for London? As a major international financial hub, it's where a large part of the bite of financial sanctions are imposed.

The point is that NK will eventually have the capability to hit strategic locations that will have world-wide impacts, instead of making just local, tactical strikes.So at what point do other countries stand up and say "enough"?




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Whacking him now certainly gets my vote, better sooner than later....
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